states and not pastor of the united states. and so i'm encouraged because i'm hearing people say that the values that ought to inform this conversation are the values that unite us as americans, values of freedom and liberty, rather than the beliefs that distinguish us. if we can fight for freedom, for people in other countries, we have to fight aggressively to protect and preserve freedom for other americans here in the united states. so i'm encouraged by this statement. i think it's going to go a long way towards encouraging other leaders and other pastors to come out in support of this issue. >> "the new york times" has called the naacp's support of same-sex marriage a largely symbolic move. how do you feel about that or do you think that now the next step for the organization is to actively fight against discrimination to actually work with groups, say, like marriage equality usa or with groups like freedom to marry, to pursue those rights for states around the country that are working against that right? >> well, first, i